Family Reunion – Pakistan – General info for all to avoid mistakes

By:
Abdul Majid Malik <majid.malik[@]yahoo.com>;
Dear Members Assalam-o-Alaikum,
I am writing this email to let members know few things about family reunion and some mistakes which must be avoided. If some friend is going to get married  in Pakistan, please tell him/her about these issues. Simple looking mistakes can cause big trouble and delay later in family reunion.
About Nikah Registration:
Registration of Nikah involves three people:  Nikah Khawan, Nikah Registrar  and Union council. UC gives a register with 50 leaves to Nikah-Registrar. Each leave contains Nikah Nama ” Form II” in quadruplicate. In one UC , only a single Registrar can have the register.  In usual case, Nikah Khawan goes to Registrar(if he is himself not a registrar) and gets a Nikah nama Form II (which has fours copies). One copy each (filled and signed) is given to  Duhla, Dulhan,Registrar and UC.
1. Take care that Nikah is registered at the same Union Council where Nikah has taken place .Address written on filled Nikahnama should be in the UC where Nikah is registered.  Any thing different to this created big problem for many ,especially those who did Nikha in a Marriage Hall and brought Molvi sahib from some other UC. If you made this mistake, count a delay of at least 3 months. Embassy will raise objection as the lawyer sent for Marriage verification would like to see your Nikah registered at the same UC as address written on Nikahnama. You may be to asked to change registration of your marriage from one UC to other through a court procedure in Pakistan.
2. Please closely check all the four copies of the filled Nikah-Nama for any mistake in names, ID card nr., date of birth etc. Check that all signatures are there at right place and stamp of Nikah-Registrar is present. Many take things lightly in Pakistan while filling forms.
3. Telephonic Nikah is big no no. You must be present there as German Embassy/consulate now checks it from entry and exit stamps on your passport. If there are some unavoidable circumstances, give a written power of attorney which has legal value i.e signed in front of Notary Public/judge or from Pakistani embassy/consulate (in case they deal with it) to your father to represent you during Nikah.  Better be present there. Your absence will complicate the matters and hence the delay/rejection as a consequence.
4.  Carefully read the requirements of Embassy for Family reunion. If any question arises, call embassy to get an answer. Don’t rely blindly on the info collected from here and there.
5. Some people I talked to have made mistake while getting online appointment. You mad a mistake in name, passport number or email address than most probably you will not be able to submit documents on that day. In my experience, if you decide to take an appointment for family reunion, you normally get it after 4 to 6 weeks. So missing an appointment can be source of further delay.6. The interview by lawyer or at embassy may involve basic questions from your spouse about you. Newly married; make sure he/she has all the basic info about you.

7. Spouse of a Blue Card holder is exempted from providing A-1 German language certificate. About this, don’t believe on what they say on phone :). If your spouse can’t manage to do a language course in Pakistan, present following reference of the concerned Law  as proof on your appointment day:

http://www.bluecard-eu.de/eu-blue-card-germany/residence-act/spouse.html 

http://www.gesetze-im-internet.de/aufenthg_2004/__30.html

8. In some cities, there were cases when Ausländerbehorde(ABH) objected that the spouse in Germany is passing through the probation period of job.  In some cities ,they ask for salary slips of 6 months while in others only for 3 months or just a job contract. Talk to other Pakistanis/Indians who have experience of dealing with the same ABH  so that you can proceed accordingly.

Please correct if I am wrong on any account. The info is based on posts of members on this forum, experiences of acquaintances and my personal experience.

If you know some other issues which you or someone known to you faced, kindly share on this forum. This will facilitate others in their family reunion.

349 comments

  • Syed Ans Bin Khalid

    What is the procedure to change Nikah Nama from one UC to another ??? Can anybody please guide me.

    • Muhammad

      Dear Ans, you would have to file a suit for declaration in the Family court. it’ll get registered at the union council concerned through a courts order. But, I have a question? why do you want to do this? Did, you already get objection from the embassy? If, transfer of the nikkah nama has been told to you by the lawyer, then don’t do anything. Wait for the response from the embassy. Otherwise, if its an embassy call, then there is no way to escape.

      • Syed Ans Bin Khalid

        No i have not yet applied… Appointment is on 25th Jan.. But I heared the case of two people in which embassy raised the issue… so I though if I can make the correction beforehand. My wife already had visa issued on the same Nikah from Saudi Arabia .. it is also attested from Saudi Embassy … so should I change it before visa interview or ask my wife to appear for interview with same Nikah Nama ?? If suppose I have to change it then how much time is takes ??

        • Muhammad

          Well! I would say, do not change it. Because, at the moment, you do not have reasons to change it. I mean, you do not have any written proof or a valid document stating that it should be changed. Otherwise doing so, will make your documents even more doubtful.

          My wife was also asked by the lawyer to transfer the nikkah nama from UC-A to UC-B. But it was all verbal communication. And, only a way of getting bride money. We waited for the response from the embassy. However, the embassy didn’t raise any objection. Her visa got approved.

          Iff, you get objection from the embassy then the process might take up to 3 months. But, in some cases it may also take one month. it depends how well UC co-operates with you guys.

          • Burhan khan

            How did you get your nikkah nama changed from one uc to another can u guide me the whole process? And did u make a new nikkah nama or something ?

          • Frau A.T

            @Muhammad , the same case is mine.i had the same issue of union council though neither embassay nor lawyer has objected. I applied in first weel of februray and lawyer came after 2 weeks.. still am waiting for visa.. what should i do

      • information

        dear admin i want to know something that me and my wife had our nikah on telephone nikah was made by molvi who have no stamp and than i send documents to my wife through dhl post she sign and send me back than i asked the laywer to make my nikah register he get a molvi of F/8 which is other uc on my nikah nama also the option who did nikah and who rigister in who did nikah option we put the name and id card number of the molvi who have no stamp and on the register nikah option the one who did rigister nikah he put stamp and sign and than he also get us a marriage certificate which i send to my wife in switzerland and she got her family multiply visa can i apply for family visa on same nikah nama and marriage certificate she is coming here in 2 months and we will celebrate walima

  • Sarah

    Hey
    I just wanted to ask I have applied for a spouse visa in Dec and yesterday the lawyer came to my mothers house and had my birth certificate and nikkah nama which he was going to verify I asked him how long is the process now and he said 5 to 6 months is it true because from all the post above I had a impression that it was 4 to 5 weeks after the lawyers visit

    • Xyz

      Hey, Sarah, you are from which city? I have also submitted documents in December, but I have not received the lawyer call yet. May be there are not much cases of my city

  • information

    dear admin i want to know something that me and my wife had our nikah on telephone nikah was made by molvi who have no stamp and than i send documents to my wife through dhl post she sign and send me back than i asked the laywer to make my nikah register he get a molvi of F/8 which is other uc on my nikah nama also the option who did nikah and who rigister in who did nikah option we put the name and id card number of the molvi who have no stamp and on the register nikah option the one who did rigister nikah he put stamp and sign and than he also get us a marriage certificate which i send to my wife in switzerland and she got her family multiply visa can i apply for family visa on same nikah nama and marriage certificate she is coming here in 2 months and we will celebrate walima

  • xyz

    after how much time the lawyer contacts after applying for family reunion visa/

  • Vizoo

    mostly between 4-8 weeks

    • Xyz

      I have submitted my documents on 14 of December, but I haven’t received any cal from lawyer, what should I do? Should I call to embassy

      • Vizo

        nowadays visa processing time is 5/6 months. U should wait more. The lawyer will definitely come, may be he don’t have enough cases for verification of your city. Also Applicants are not allowed to contact embassy b4 (06) months for any visa related issues.

  • Rida

    I applied for a spouse visa in Dec and in Jan the lawyer came and did the investigation I haven’t heard anything after that I wanted to know how much longer I have to wait and can I call the embassy to check the status if yes then on which number

    • Vizoo

      nowadays processing time for family reunion visa is 05 months, so you should wait till May, Also applicants are not allowed to contact embassy before 06 months.

  • fagia younus

    Hallo admin..
    I was applies family reunion visa in august 2016 but start of December embassy raised that I must change my nikah Nama to one union council to another who nikah had done.
    I had change through court and submitted court documents to embassy in 15 January 2017..
    Now how will be wait more to get visa call from Embassy..
    Please anyone share experience..

    • Burhan khan

      How did you get your nikkah nama changed from one uc to another can u guide me the whole process? And did u make a new nikkah nama or something ?

  • madiha

    Phd student’s spouses are also exempted from german A1.

  • Aliha

    I applied for a spouse visa in December and a few days back my husband received a letter to submit some additional documents at the ABH so I just wanted to know how much longer will it be now that I will get my visa call and can they reject my visa now

  • zunaira

    Hallo admin. My husband has residence permit for unlimited period .. Mean ( unbefristet) and have job earn money 900 euro per month..
    Has Chance to reject my family reunion visa for germany for reason of little job..
    Please tells me.. Thanks

    • Hi zunaira,

      you can try , but i am not sure if that is enough. normally:
      – married couple, are 2 adults = 1 spouse is obliged to a person for maintenance; Therefore must
       An income (net) of EUR 1,579.02 is available.

      • Raffay

        Dear people or Admin lawyer came to me take me to marriage office he saw there everything is fine than next day he came and ask me to go to birth certificate we went there and person in birth certificate office show him my birth certificate in computer and also stamp on copy of birth certificate that its legal and attested he also stamp on it and hand over to lawyer ,lawyer ask him to show me the documents from which this birth certificate made the person in office said we only issue birth certificate when we have all documents of person having his record in out system mean his file is ok that is why we issue birth certificate and we have lot of application and in our record room lot of files we can not look to each person file again and again so he is ok than lawyer said me that is fine he will submit report in embassy and if embassy search for your back up documents for birth certificate and they found nothing than you will be in trouble while my father submit my documents from his own hands and than we get this birth certificate should be lawyer make negative comments or postive while birth certificate office didn,t show him the documents which father submit to get the birth certificate they just said him they have back up file and they attested that it is legal and true birth certificate of person

    • Vizoo

      your husband need at least 1250 Euro.(min calculation is:- 450 house rent, 600 living expense for two persons and 200 other expenses (i.e. utility bills). this is least, but for smooth processing you need 1600.

  • roheel

    I have submitted my documents on 25 janaury, but I haven’t received any cal from lawyer or enbassy what should I do? Should I call to embassy, kindly somebody suggest me

  • sana

    My polio certificate for the visa is not older than 4 weeks I just had it made will it be okay

    • Muhammad

      Yes, it will be ok. But, your visa validity will begin 4-weeks from the date of your polio certificate issue date.

      • Raffay

        Dear people or Admin lawyer came to me take me to marriage office he saw there everything is fine than next day he came and ask me to go to birth certificate we went there and person in birth certificate office show him my birth certificate in computer and also stamp on copy of birth certificate that its legal and attested he also stamp on it and hand over to lawyer ,lawyer ask him to show me the documents from which this birth certificate made the person in office said we only issue birth certificate when we have all documents of person having his record in out system mean his file is ok that is why we issue birth certificate and we have lot of application and in our record room lot of files we can not look to each person file again and again so he is ok than lawyer said me that is fine he will submit report in embassy and if embassy search for your back up documents for birth certificate and they found nothing than you will be in trouble while my father submit my documents from his own hands and than we get this birth certificate should be lawyer make negative comments or postive while birth certificate office didn,t show him the documents which father submit to get the birth certificate they just said him they have back up file and they attested that it is legal and true birth certificate of person

        • Vizoo

          bro there are two ways to get birth certificate from UC, First one is shortcut like fill up form attache prof of birth certificate (mostly matriculation mark sheet) pay some money and get ur birth certificate in few hours. in that case UC don’t show the file to anyone and also this way of getting birth certificate is not acceptable by embassy anymore.

          2nd is fill up form, secretary of uc will mark to dc office , dc office will mark to District health officer, Distric health officer will ask for medical examination from any Govt Hospital for verification of age, after medical examination you can get birth certificate from UC, this procedure require at least one month. this procedure of getting birth certificate is acceptable by embassy. if you hv followed 2nd one then you need not to worry, but if you hv gotten birth certificate through first one then there may be some problem. in that case you have to go for re registration and then cancellation of first one from through court.

          • Vizoo

            please be noted registration through 2nd one(as mentioned above) is called (late registration By Laws 2015.)

          • Raffay

            Nono my file is there in backup and all documents are complete like affidavit daee affidavit in which hands i was born affidavit of parents and mark sheet of matric but as the people in that office really don,t want to look record because it take sometimes days they just said to lawyer that all if fine with this person and his entry is done after aproving of chairman of the office and also chairman stamp on my birth certificate and sign it

  • arslan ali

    Hallo admin..
    How much time takes German embassy after correction of birthcertifcate and nikah nama submitted in embassy..
    Please guide me if someone know this situations..

  • farwa

    Hallo admin…
    I had applied german family reunion visa and now my husband have appointment in A.B.H Fankfurt..
    Can anyone tells me which type of interview takes Auslanderbehorde..
    Which types of questions gives…

    • Vizoo

      it wont be any interview, They just need necessary documents required by them (your husband hv already received that list in appointment letter). Your husband hv to prove them by documentary evidence that he have enough resource to support his family in Germany (i.e hv a house, hv a job or biz etc)

      • Nabeel

        Live in islamabad there is no uc systme only one office dma who provide birth certificate dma required documents are matric degree affidavit and birth proof affidavit incause of home birth and they provide a legal birth certificate is that all fine ? And anyone can go and verify that birth certificate from their computer must show the soild proof of seeing that certificate in computer and than they even sign and stamp that this is legal and verify document

  • Raffay

    Dear people or Admin lawyer came to me take me to marriage office he saw there everything is fine than next day he came and ask me to go to birth certificate we went there and person in birth certificate office show him my birth certificate in computer and also stamp on copy of birth certificate that its legal and attested he also stamp on it and hand over to lawyer ,lawyer ask him to show me the documents from which this birth certificate made the person in office said we only issue birth certificate when we have all documents of person having his record in out system mean his file is ok that is why we issue birth certificate and we have lot of application and in our record room lot of files we can not look to each person file again and again so he is ok than lawyer said me that is fine he will submit report in embassy and if embassy search for your back up documents for birth certificate and they found nothing than you will be in trouble while my father submit my documents from his own hands and than we get this birth certificate should be lawyer make negative comments or postive while birth certificate office didn,t show him the documents which father submit to get the birth certificate they just said him they have back up file and they attested that it is legal and true birth certificate of person

  • roheel

    Helow admin i submitted my paper in embassy on 23jan and yesterday lawyer was came to embassy for my document verfication n he done it and took some pics and more proof to me n gone, i wanted to ask how long it will take to send paper in germany for verfication of my wife n my visa approval? I had been in language test twice but couldnt pass n i am going third time now, is it gona put any effect on my visa? Or they will approve my visa to germany n send it in embassy n then wait for my language certificate, is it possible? And what if i couldnt pass language test in 5 attempt in 1 year then what is gona happen?

    • Vizoo

      i dont think they will proceed without Language certificate. nowadays due to heavy work load they prefer to delay incomplete files.

      • roheel

        But lawyer was came for my verification and he done it, and he said it will take 2 more months for approval of visa, now they gona send paper germany or they will wait for my language test?

  • aysha butt

    Salaam admin I would like to ask you some questions abut my family reunion visas I m really in trouble plz help me

    • aysha butt

      mene 20 July ko documents submitted ki hen 17 Nov ko lawyer be visited kiya n still I didn’t get my visas anyone know something tell me plz my husband s blue card holder

    • aysha butt

      Thank you admin for the reply mere husband Gaye te Auslanderbehorde onho ne kaha k ab ko chahye ta first three months me documents submitted karni te jo k hum nahi kI hamare documents ready nahi te n appointment problem te hum ne fourth months month me interview de N mere husband ko letter be aya he k 31 March tak hum ap k family reunion visas ka final answer denge but abi Tak nothing I m really worry hamara case reject to nahi ho ga??? Plz tell me what to do I m really confuse help me plzzzz

  • Vizoo

    Agar ap ki therf say sab ok tu phir apny husband say pochin wahan Auslanderbehorde waly kea keh rehy hain.eider say koi help nie ker suckata. agar koi objection he tu us ko remove kerwien or Lawyer say discuess kerin.

  • Frau A.T

    I have a query and its urgent. I applied for family reunion visa in 1st week of february at karachi German Consulate and lawyer visited after 2 weeks. Its been 2 months i hadnt heard from consulate about visa/ interview.
    I have read people queries about problem related to union council difference in Nikkah nama i.e. if nikkah nama has different union council than the area you are living , it creates problem and one has to get it corrected via family court..
    In my case the union council of my / husband’s area of residence is not same as in nikkah nama. Does visa gets approved without going through the changing of union council process as i havent been objected by the lawyer or consulate.
    At what stage the council informs.does it inform initially?
    Confused and waiting..

    • Vizoo

      Nikkah registered in Bride’s UC not in Groom. if your husband lives in different UC then it wont be any problem, also if you did not receive any objection yet then why r u worried??

      • Frau A.T

        Yes i didnt get any objection. I am asking.
        ● If such mistake is made of union council… when does the consulate informs you?
        ● in my case neither union council falls in my or my husband residential area. Will it create problem. As usually many people have but some dont have and get visa approved.

  • Hamid

    AOA……kea koi bataye ga family reunion visa k lea travel insurance kitni amount tak ki kerwani hey ?? insurance companies k different packages hain, 10000, 25000 and 50000 dollars. Embassy kon sa accept kerti hey

    :

  • farwa

    Hallo admin..
    I have applied a family reunion visa in start of August 2016. Then start of december i received letter from embassy that my birth certificate record not found and I must late registered new birth certificate through court.
    Then second week of January I submitted new birth certificate then start of march 2017 lawyer had come and complete verification.
    Now till I have not get answer of about my visa application..
    Tells me anyone how much long still more waiting ..
    I am really very confused about this.
    Thanks

    • roheel

      Wait for lawyer off course suddenly he gona come ur house for verficiaton

    • Nabeel

      Why your birth certificate record was not found ? And how you make other one when old one is already rigistered

    • Nabeel

      Did you got visa how you made new birth certificate and what was the reason your birth certificate record was not found ? Where are you from

  • sana

    Hey I wanted to know how long it takes to get visa stamped I got appointment on Thursday when should I expect my passport back I have to book flight accordingly and I just got a call no email will they let me go in the embassy

    • roheel

      Off course they gona let u go inside bec you got call its enough so u dont need any email as far as i’m concerned

      • sana

        Ohh okay thanks for clearing that
        Do you have any idea how long the visa stamping takes

        • roheel

          What the said you in call? Normally It takes normally two weeks but you can have it anytime after submitted your orginal passport,

          • sana

            They just said your visa is ready and to come to the embassy and submit my passport but the thing is how do I book my flight then without a idea of how long it might take

        • roheel

          Sana u need to make polio certificate n travel insurance, so make those two papers n bring them with ur passport to embassy, this is all u need to do, how long embassy took in ur this process? Is it ur spouse visa or student?

        • Vizoo

          @ sana. your visa is ready so it will take one or two hour to stamp your visa. on the day of appointment you will submit your passport and 90 days travel insurance. They will verify online whether your insurance is ok or not. on insurance you have to mention your date of travel.. Your visa will start from the date of travel. now its up to you when you want to travel.

    • Nabeel

      How long it takes to grant visa to you ? How many month

  • aysha butt

    Salam admin documents ki virification complete ho choki he n I m waiting for visa mere husband ne lawyer kiya he Germany me waha se visa nahi mel raha 4 months ho Gaye hen ek latter km he jo mere husband ne submitte nahi kiya ta house contract latter jo abi summit Karen ge next week Kia ap bata sakte hen kitna time or lage ga hamara visa issue krne me I m really waiting for my visas last 9 months plz any help me

  • aysha butt

    Salaam sana dear can you tell me when you applied for family reunion visa i have submitted my documents on 20 July 2016 n still waiting for visa

  • aysha butt

    Hi admin plz reply me I need your help what should we do in this case??????

  • Taha

    Hey. Can you let me know, when do they ask for my passport. The lawyer has visited my place and left without taking my passport

    • Nabeel

      He don’t need your passport when your visa will aprove embasay will call you to bring your passport what is your visa type when lawyer came after submiting your documents ?

  • aysha butt

    Hi admit i would like to tell u about my case I have submitted my documents on 20 July 2016 n the lawyer visited my home on 17 November after 4 months,,but till now I m waiting for my visas I have 4 kids n the auslanderbehorde told to my hubby to do the practicum course your visas are in process I don’t know how much time does it take more?plz if you can help me what’s this happening it took alot time…

    • Vizoo

      @Ayesha Butt : this forum is not visa issuance authority, here user can help in local documents. For your problem only a lawyer in Germany can advise you better.

  • Roheel

    can someone tell me that i submitted my paper in german embassy in jaunaury and when i submitted my papers they taken my interview two times in two days n they took my papers and verfication fee and then embassy sent a man for verfication at my shop and he done his verfication of everything, now today i got again a call that i have to come embassy again in main embassy embassy gate, what should i do? and why they invite me again there, pls someone tell me, i am bit confuse

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